Dear all,
pardon me but have to say that such discussions saying judiciary should wake up, media highlights corruption etc. just remind me of the lack of understanding of the levels of corruption and the danger being these will be discussions that will fade away in a week or two till the next scam or 26/11.
let us understand few basics here. under law, a person who commits crime, abets crime and does not report while being aware of crime are all guilty under law. similarly, someone who bribes, takes a bribe or watches while bribing happens are all guilty. that way most Indians are guilty of not just being permissive to corruption but being corrupt themselves. the first big challenge is that by saying it is politicians who are corrupt we are wishing away this systemic and wider rot which make for an environment that allows brazen scams. this easy notion is primarily indulged in by middle class which bribes its way to school admissions and ration cards and other government services or armchair intellectuals who have no stake in the change. It is dangerous because corruption is a way of life and while politicians are rotten they are not the only ones - our entire society is.
P Sainath pointed out to deaf ears that 2 lakhs farmer suicides in this country were swept under the carpet over multiple decades while BiggBoss and who gets thrown out and their tantrums or the LIFW gets multiple times the coverage of such monumental failure of the state, society and loosing of human lives. It is by now documented that corruption is behind the high poverty levels in this country (read a related report in Times of India) today.
So it is us, and unless we change the system will never change and judiciary or media are all not outside of the society but are integral parts. A corrupt babu's daughter becoming a judge is a reality or even a journalist. Let us nto do these pointing fingers. we have done for this for multiple decades and somewhere start pointing it at us.
The other is however good one leader cannot make the change as the rot is too deep, the vested interests too many and what we need is many good leaders and strong movements around these many leaders.
let us not worry about this generation of rotten leaders. let us worry about the next generation and atleast get them right. If bottom up good and efficient leaders dont get into the system there is no point in expecting good ones at the top.
Something I have tried to do is avoid products of companies that are openly corrupt or move away from them into ones that are not (relatively) (personally since in the professional life it is difficult and practically impossible), avoid paying bribe until it becomes hell or the task is not critical. The other is support movements. For example there are movements like UglyIndians (Bangalore) which is trying to address civic cleanliness or Janagraha which try to increase transparency and civic participation etc.
Change never unfortunately happens by itself. It needs will, long-term action and commitment.
We prepare ourselves for close to 15-18 years of our life for a job or career but something even more systemic like corruption expect inquiries and commissions to solve in a year or two. It is illogical.
The fight is long and I am not sure whether this is the tipping point in India's history that we will change and the fight begins and if so, which generation will see that change.
But it is a fight, a long haul one. and am not sure even whether it has started.
Jai Hind.
Xavier
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From: venkrajen@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:56:52 -0800
Subject: Re: [prpoint] Debate: Rs.1760000000000 - Loss to the Nation :(
Everyday we read in the newspapers that government official, RTO's Tahsildars, policemen, traffic police, Commercial Tax staff are arrested red-handed while receiving bribe (by CBI sleuths or DVAC sleuths). But out of all these arrests which result in immediate suspension, do we know that 91% of the cases are reinstated. Only a little more than 6% are actually proved later and a little than that convicted, because by the time conviction comes, either the officer is retired or sick.
V Rajendran
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From: susan koshy <susankoshy@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 9:49:48 PM
Subject: RE: [prpoint] Debate: Rs.1760000000000 - Loss to the Nation :(
My opinion -
Corruption has become rampant in our country, and the kingpins in this expertise are the 'leaders' on top - supposedly ruling/governing our country. And why do we have them continuing to massacre our country's values, governance and economy? Because as ministers, they are above the law. Permission is needed to prosecute them. Why? Why should ANYONE in a democratic country - any country for that matter - be 'exempt' from the law except with special permission? And often, there is reluctance to do so because they are also guilty of having their finger in the pie and dare not do anything that risks exposure of their own involvement in illegal and criminal acts. Some officials who were apparently hand in glove with Kalmadi in the CWG have been taken into custody, and Kalmadi still moves around scotfree.
1) We need to first make all equal in the eyes of law. Anyone, ANYONE should be automatically accountable and chargeable in the eyes of law. How effective can the communicators and the media propagate a movement towards this goal?
2) And the judicial law needs to be accountable too. While the Supreme Court has rightly and repeatedly pulled up authorities and even the Government for delays, why should it be unaccountable about the inordinate delays in disposing cases? Culprits escape penalties under the garb of such delays. Why does the Supreme Court not pull up the authorities for this slackness in appointing judges if this is the issue? Why does it not give an ultimatum just as it does when pulling up authorities on other issues? Can the communicators and media sensitise the SC on this?
3) Even then, the judicial system also be accountable anyway, for the delays, dilly-dallying, innumerable adjournments and in the course, delay of justice, to the advantage of the culprits? Courtrooms and their offices look like museum of antique and ancient scrolls, files and papers piling for disposal. Why can it not be improved with the times and upgrade its systems and procedures?
Can we as communicators, and the media which has done good work in bringing to light these scams, work towards these reforms? Can we not?
Susan
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From: pbraghavendrarao@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:21:50 +0530
Subject: Re: [prpoint] Debate: Rs.1760000000000 - Loss to the Nation :(
Dear Sri Narendra Your suggestion is good and as expressed with concern by Sri Srinivasan it is high time in our country for the sane people and people with the background of PR, Communication skills and experience should come forward for finding out ways to contain and control such corruptional activities though not possible to totally eradicate. Who will Bell the Cat? Why do not you initiate it with the support of Prime Point Foundation which has the association of stalwarts like Abdul Kalam, ex-Election Chief Commissioners etc. Also PR bodies, GFPR etc., can be associated We can involve the honest Corporate Chiefs Like Sri Narayana Murthy etc.,and also the present generation people from Corporate educational institutions. It is a patriotic job and future generations will revere our services in this direction. Your rich experience having worked in the PM's Office would be a plus point. Think it over, Sri Narender ji. Kind regards P.B.Raghavendra Rao camp; Pune--- On Wed, 17/11/10, Narendran A <naren_vna@yahoo.com> wrote:
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