Wednesday, November 17, 2010

RE: [prpoint] Debate: Rs.1760000000000 - Loss to the Nation :(

 


The real crux is the Indian permissiveness towards corruption and lack of accountability for which me and every citizen of India is equally guilty. remember many of these people are our fathers, uncles and relatives.  I remember reading in a book that the first things that happened post India becoming independent is railway workers asking for bribes on railway platforms.

Our abhorence of discipline, our disregard for civic norms, our ability to narrow everything to language, religion and caste (one friend told me even when our people go to universities abroad they form groups - Biharis, tamilians, telugus, malayalees, bengalis; my brother told me there was  an attempt to form iyers @microsoft group which was shut down due to criticism from all quarters) etc. are poison that pervades our society and pulls back what otherwise is a great nation.

at the time of independence, Winston Churchill remarked that India will be soon ruled by crooks, unlearned, self-serving politicians and we cannot be ever united which to an extent is true.

aiding this has been the decay of institutions. Recently heard Murthy speak of abolishing civil service and replace it with a more specialized services. Agree since they have become another burden on our country milking crores as salaries and perks in return for nothing and then also aiding and partaking the loot.

the last is something I have spoken about often is serious lack of leadership - good ones in this country of billion plus people.
 
Think there are a lot of people realizing the need for change and some attempts are being made in many parts of India. it is the quality of those people and initiatives that will determine where we are headed and not the outcome of enquiries and commissions.

Must mention here about greed. In a country where one lakh crore can solve the problem of food for everyone, health for everyone or even education for everyone, for someone to cheat the exchequer of the same in the name of profit making is business wise fine but not fine in a broader sense. someone was talking to me the other day about conscious capitalism or responsible capitalism. Which balances wealth making with a genuine regard for societal welfare and balance.

Time to think in those directions.

My two cents.

Xavier


To: prpoint@yahoogroups.com
From: naren_vna@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:29:35 -0800
Subject: Re: [prpoint] Debate: Rs.1760000000000 - Loss to the Nation :(



Dear Friends
 
I feel pitty for the PM. For having such people in his cabinet.
 
We need to have a group of people study way and means of how corruption happens in this country. Bring in a process whereby politicians become accountable to whatever decision they make. This is the right time to moce forward.
 
Best regards
Narren


From: P B Raghavendra Rao <pbraghavendrarao@yahoo.com>
To: prpoint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 12:55:37 PM
Subject: Re: [prpoint] Debate: Rs.1760000000000 - Loss to the Nation :(

 
HEY! HAIL MR.A. RAJA, AS THE NEW" BHARAT RATNA" IN CORRUPTION"!
 
Sri Srinivasan's query as how the interference of media/communicators/PR sect can prevent such corruptions is a valid point of discussion. Sri Narendra's Mahabharata instance is indeed fit into in this episode though more and more characters ranging from 'Dravidian' influence to the persons holding excellent and extra super authority than vested in the constitution, are involved.
 
The present corruption supercedes all the earlier ones since Raja 'Saheb' has shown a new way by which the amount has to be calculated only thr' electronic gadgets than writing down with pen. Perhaps the amount involved in the corruption may bring an international fame since in no other country, at all, such huge corruption would have made by a single Minister(ofcourse with the blessings and support of the above mentioned personalities).
 
In any yard stick the present Government has lost the moral ground to tule the country after this most shame ful scam perpetrated playing with the sweat earned moneys of the common man of the country, leave alone the enquiries, Commissions and what not going to come in this regard.
 
Oh! God no political party or no 'veteran' leader or administrator has an exception to corruption. I think it is a "Kaliyug Dharma' to have corruption at the top!
 
By the by the national decorative titles already have lost its charm and why noot the 'Bharat Ratna' be conferred for 'scams' too since doing such scams need tremendous brilliance and net work so beautifully owen with other personalities not seen in the forefront.
 


 
P.B.Raghavendra Rao


--- On Wed, 17/11/10, Shivshankar Surkund <snsurkund@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shivshankar Surkund <snsurkund@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [prpoint] Debate: Rs.1760000000000 - Loss to the Nation :(
To: prpoint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 5:21 AM

 
Hi there,
 
Former PM Indira Gandhi, when confronted by a foreign journalist on 'corruption in India' she hit back saying 'it is an international phenomena'.
 
Public memoryisvery short. How many remember 'sukh Ram' then Telecommunication Minister of Congress Govt. CBI found in his house, crores in cash scattered on fllor and in many gunny bags. He too resigned.  His statement in the media was 'it was party's (congress) money'.
 
Hence, even this one too willbe forgotten. The question is about thedisclosure made by Ratan Tata - a bribe was sought of rs.15.00 crores to start a new domestic air-line with help of Singapore Airlines.  Howcome, he waited for all these years to disclose this ? Now the guess work is Late Pramod Mahjan,who isno more.
 
Now Telgi too is forgotten.
 
s.n.surkund
 

--- On Tue, 11/16/10, Prime Point Srinivasan <prpoint@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Prime Point Srinivasan <prpoint@gmail.com>
Subject: [prpoint] Debate: Rs.1760000000000 - Loss to the Nation :(
To: "Prpoint Group" <prpoint@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:46 AM

 
dear friends

"Rs.1.76 lakh crores" is the figure that Indian people and media are now discussing day in and day out.  Now one of the Hon'ble (?) Ministers A Raja has resigned.  CAG has submitted his report to the nation, alleging an estimated loss of Rs.1.76 lakh crores to the nation, in the 'spectrum scam'.  Supreme Court has questioned the lethargy of Prime Minister in taking note of the scam.  

It is a mind boggling figure that one cannot even imagine.  Probably, this is the mother of all scams in the independent India.  Though the estimated loss to the nation is around Rs.1.76 lakh crores, the corruption money involved is estimated to be around Rs.50 to 60 thousand crores.  

Definitely, the Minister Raja alone would not have been the only beneficiary of this mega corruption.   There should be more and more partners.  The mere fact that our Hon'ble PM also did not want to take notice, even after a petition was sent to him way back in 2008, reveals many hidden stories.  There should be more and more beneficiaries of this scam.

Besides politicians,  many corporates (known and unknown) might have been the beneficiaries.   Greedy corporates join hands with greedy politicians to rob  the nation for their personal gain.  

Do we have a role as communication managers to prevent  such 'national robbery' and to create awareness about transparency in governance.  

Srinivasan
Prime Point











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