On 11/25/10, P B Raghavendra Rao <
pbraghavendrarao@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Shri Rakesh Ji,
>
> All I was trying to put across is that we should be having a 'regulatory'
> body so that there is clarity about what discipline of the large spectrum of
> the profession of Public Relations practice should be excluded from being
> called PR consulting and the like.
>
> In the case of Nira Radia, she is a lobbyist in the real sense of the term -
> a modern day euphism for the good old political 'dalal'. As per this day and
> age, lobbyists are sophisticated, high flying, high heeled, 'been here and
> done that' professionals who approach the profession in a corporate,
> organised style.
>
> While the basis of Public Relations and Lobbying is the same good old
> 'networking' & friendships and relies on a 'circle of influence', this is
> where the commonality ends.
>
> Clients hire people like Radia purely to lobby and in our country as is
> common knowledge, any 'dalali' involves monetary transactions and much much
> more. While in the United States, Lobbyists have an identity, in India, we
> have so far looked down upon them. Politicians like Amar Singh and many such
> people have long been doing just that.
>
> Therefore, my point is: find a way to separate them from real Public
> Relations practitoners or else, the perception that a 'PR' person is a
> 'lobbyist' (read: Dalal / power broker / go-between) will only bring a
> spectre of suspicion upon us.
>
> I hope I have been able to rest my observation with this clarification!
>
> Cheers!
>
> P.B.Raghavendra Rao
>
> --- On Thu, 25/11/10, centum advertising <
centumads@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: centum advertising <
centumads@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ gfpr ] Re: [prpoint] Debate: Why blame only politicians? What
> about officials, corporates and lobbyists?
> To:
gfpr@googlegroups.com> Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 12:08 PM
>
>
> Dear Raghavendra Rao Garu,
>
> Could you be please elaborate on your view point as i could not
> comprehend your version.
>
> Cheers
>
> Rakesh Gulati
>
> On 11/24/10, P B Raghavendra Rao <
pbraghavendrarao@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear Acharya Babji
>>
>> Though a late comer to the discussion your contention of persons like
>> Radia
>> is a Lobyst and that Lobysts are termed to be faudulant practioners using
>> the brand of PR. It is high time that PR Bodies should condemn and ban
>> such
>> persons acting in PR way. But I am afraid is there any Body like Chartered
>> Accountants of India to take such decisions by PR Associations.
>>
>> P.B.Raghavendra Rao
>>
>> --- On Wed, 24/11/10, Bobby Shivyana <
bobby.shivyana@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Bobby Shivyana <
bobby.shivyana@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ gfpr ] Re: [prpoint] Debate: Why blame only politicians?
>> What
>> about officials, corporates and lobbyists?
>> To:
gfpr@googlegroups.com>> Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 4:08 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>>
>> I am sorry to be a late-comer to this discussion, as I was otherwise busy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who is Nira Radia? She is a Lobbyist and not a PR Practitioner. The
>> primary
>> function of lobbying is 'mediation'. In other words it is brokering. It
>> is
>> 'issue broking' like 'stock broking'. Just because 'persuasion' is common
>> in PR and Lobbying, both the professions can not be clubbed together.
>>
>>
>> Lobbying is a permitted profession in some Western countries where as its
>> true term in the Indian context is none other than doing 'Pyravi'. Can we
>> equate a Pyravikar with that of a PR practitioner? A Quack is a
>> fraudulent
>> Medical Practitioner. Similarly, a Lobbyist is a fraudulent PR
>> Practitioner.
>>
>>
>> Nira Radia has generated so much of RADIA-TION in the PR profession,
>> created
>> to much of CONFUSION as to the meaning of Persuasion.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:22 PM, rajagopal vijay kumar
>> <
vijayraj26@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let us keep class and creed aside. The Surprises has promised iin my
>> earlier
>> mail, started coming from The smart Indians who voted in Bihar. To what
>> little I can understand, the fractured mandate continues. No single party
>> was given the majority two thirds to govern the state like in Bijju JD in
>> orrissa. And the rich are richer and poor. . what to say. You have a
>> Elderly
>> Gentleman in AP" s CM saying quits I have enough. EXIT! ! ! and a tainted
>> CM
>> in Karnataka. to remain, and rule the roast. the street fights, the mud
>> slinging and the magic BOX will open, every greed wide OPEN. vijay
>> Rajagopal PRSI
>> VIZAG
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Pundit Shivrup Tiwari <
shivrupt@gmail.com>
>> To:
gfpr@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Wed, 24 November, 2010 11:30:52
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [ gfpr ] Re: [prpoint] Debate: Why blame only politicians?
>> What
>> about officials, corporates and lobbyists?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes Mr Gulati, you are absolutely correct, whole system is becoming
>> corrupt.
>> Sorry to add pr professionals too.
>> Now we are in a society which is totally fearless to go for corruption.
>> Thanks to the governance in our country.
>> Any one not participating in corruption is now backward class.
>> Sorry for such a reaction from me.
>> Regards too all
>>
>>
>> Shivrup Tiwari
>>
>>
>>
>> -------Original Message-------
>>
>>
>> From: centum advertising
>> Date: 24-11-2010 10:52:38
>> To:
gfpr@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: [ gfpr ] Re: [prpoint] Debate: Why blame only politicians?
>> What
>> about officials, corporates and lobbyists?
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr Surkund,
>>
>> With due respect to your views on corruption, but i fail to understand
>> the reason for singling out only advertising agencies when the whole
>> system is reeling under the malaise of corruption. Your specific
>> disdain for advertising agecies is incomprehensible. We need to look
>> at the larger picture and make endeavors to stymie the root cause
>> instead of casting aspersions on one particular group or community.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Rakesh Gulati
>>
>> On 11/20/10, Shivshankar Surkund <
snsurkund@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding 'ethics'' while accepting/getting business, how many advt.
>>> agencies/or others, worry about 'ethics' ?
>>>
>>> I quote 2 examples -from my experience. Years back, a scheme to invest
>>> in'teak wood farms' promising 100 times returns to investers started
>>> appearing in media with differentc fly-by night compnies. To my specific
>>> queries, whether the crop is insured against natural calamaties, no reply
>>> was received.
>>>
>>> An reputed advt. agency like Lintas started such a 'bogus' client, I
>>> confronted No.1 ( a good old friend) as to how he could do this. His
>>> answer
>>> was that they are paid in advnce for the services rendered.
>>>
>>> In one of 'lunch meetings' organised by advt. club, Mumbai in late 70s, a
>>> very sr. guy from CITI Bank was to address on 'Finncial advertising and
>>> marketing'. To a pointed question on 'IPOs of many companies' marketed by
>>> the, as Bankers, closed down in few months, the answer I got was it was
>>> just another business proposition and once the IPO issue is over, as far
>>> as
>>> the bank is concerned, the matter is c losed.
>>>
>>> s.n.surkund
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 11/19/10, Prime Point Srinivasan <
prpoint@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Prime Point Srinivasan <
prpoint@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [ gfpr ] Re: [prpoint] Debate: Why blame only politicians? What
>>> about officials, corporates and lobbyists?
>>> To:
prpoint@yahoogroups.com,
gfpr@googlegroups.com>>> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 5:09 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> dear friends
>>>
>>> Last evening, I wrote about Nira Radia and her association with reputed
>>> organisations like Tata Group and CII. I also questioned, as to why,
>>> they
>>> were continuing to engage scam tainted professional? I also mentioned
>>> that
>>> besides politicians, corporates, lobbyists and officials have
>>> also played
>>> a greater role in this mega scam.
>>>
>>> To my surprise, today afternoon, the entire social media has been flooded
>>> with the audio tapes of Nira Radia with Burkha Dutt, Vir Singhvi, Rattan
>>> Tata, Minister Raja, released by 'Open Magazine'. Within few minutes,
>>> the
>>> site
http://openthemagazine.com got crashed due to the heavy traffic.
>>>
>>> Though I am not sure about the credibility of the audio tape released in
>>> the
>>> internet, till now, I have not found any denial from any of the persons
>>> mentioned above. A feeble denial from NDTV was seen. They have also not
>>> categorically denied the conversation. They have only said, "NDTV
>>> believes
>>> the magazine should first verify and corroborate facts before
>>> participating
>>> in a defamatory smear campaign". In response to NDTV, Open Magazine has
>>> confirmed the credibility of the audio in the facebook.
>>>
>>> I am yet to see any quick denial from Vir Singvi, Ratan Tata and A Raja
>>> for
>>> this audio. I wish and pray that this audio should not be true. If it
>>> is
>>> true, it is most unfortunate in the history of India. Ratan Tata's image
>>> is
>>> also at stake. A common man can raise the doubt as to why Tata Group
>>> speaks
>>> more of moral values and ethics outside, but engages an unethical tainted
>>> professional. This applies to CII also. Was there any illegal benefit
>>> derived to their organisation, through her. More transparency is needed.
>>>
>>> In chasing the money and power, we should not give up the values and
>>> ethics. When we compromise our values and ethics, definitely, one day,
>>> the
>>> concerned persons may have to answer to the society, at the cost of
>>> reputation.
>>>
>>> I welcome the views of the members.
>>>
>>> Srinivasan
>>> Prime Point
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Narendran A <
naren_vna@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Frineds
>>>
>>> THis is pretty interesting topic. I heard the telephonic conversation
>>> between Nira and politicians in DMK. It doesnt seem to be a PR mans job.
>>> She
>>> is taking PR route to enter political circle. To me lobbying is a highly
>>> inttelectual job. Before taking up an assignment i will study the pros
>>> and
>>> con. If it adds value to the society, i will lobby or else, keep away
>>> from
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Let PR people not go with the bad elements.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Narren
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Shivshankar Surkund <
snsurkund@yahoo.com>
>>> To:
prpoint@yahoogroups.com>>> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:07:33 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [prpoint] Debate: Why blame only politicians? What about
>>> officials, corporates and lobbyists?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I fully endorse views of hriNarendra-ji. Is CBI not corrupt ? A very
>>> senior
>>> executive of a Public sector Bank, was victim of internal
>>> politics,who USED
>>> CBI and an enquiry was converted into court case. After 24 years, the
>>> court
>>> found him innocent. Now who will punish CBI ? The concerned official lost
>>> his chnce of becomming CMD. Now he has no platform to get justice.
>>>
>>> Similarly, as right observed by shri Narendra-ji, what happened in the
>>> case
>>> of 'sukh-ram' or many other such corruption cases ?
>>>
>>> Unless the judiciary is too accountable for delays, nothing will move or
>>> the
>>> culprits will go scot free. Politicians with murder cases against them
>>> in
>>> court, become CMs ? this is India - that is Bharat ?
>>>
>>> s.n.surkund
>>> --- On Thu, 11/18/10, S. Narendra <
sunarendra@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: S. Narendra <
sunarendra@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [prpoint] Debate: Why blame only politicians? What about
>>> officials, corporates and lobbyists?
>>> To:
prpoint@yahoogroups.com>>> Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 7:15 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Friends: How do you rescue reputation of PR from the Telecom
>>> scandal?
>>> My second mail had brought out this aspect,in response to a mail asking
>>> seniors to use PR to fight corruption.
>>> It is being used as a mask by corporates and PR firms are very willing
>>> to
>>> play that role.Yesterday Times News channel fielded Vinod Mehta and Suhel
>>> Seth.The latter wanted Lobbying to be made legal and said it is part of
>>> legitimate PR.where do you draw the line?
>>> Also we need to debate the mask Public Affairs provides to Lobbying.
>>> The media that is exposing corruption,PR profession,Bureaucracy,Chambers
>>> which criticism political corruption,along with various other
>>> institutions
>>> have got contaminated by greed.Thats becasue the price to be paid when
>>> discovered in corruption cases is very poor and slow and rehabilitation
>>> is
>>> easy.
>>> S.narendra
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 November 2010 10:08, Prime Point Srinivasan <
prpoint@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> dear friends
>>>
>>>
>>> When I started a debate two days back in prpoint group on the mega scam,
>>> we
>>> got more than 20 responses for that thread. All the responses were from
>>> senior members. I wish younger members also share their views, as they
>>> will
>>> be the future of our nation.
>>>
>>>
>>> From the earlier debate, I could see the concern of all the members for
>>> the
>>> nation and for the professional integrity. Almost all our members were
>>> blaming only politicians. Today, Times of India and other channels
>>> have
>>> brought out the un-holy nexus between the politicians, officials and the
>>> corporates through lobbyists. Even some of the senior bureaucrats are
>>> also
>>> involved in this mega scam.
>>>
>>>
>>> Media reports reveal the alleged role played by Nira Radia, a lobbyist
>>> and
>>> a
>>> PR professional in this mega scam. She seems to be under multi-agency
>>> investigation now. Times Now channel, tonight, was highly critical of PR
>>> profession itself. Few such professionals, have brought shame to the
>>> entire
>>> profession.
>>>
>>>
>>> When I visited her company site, (
http://www.noesis.in/nira.htm), i found
>>> various companies of Tata Group, Kotak Mahendra, Confederation of Indian
>>> Industry and many more as her clients. She has also claimed in the site,
>>> "Under her direction the company has striven to enhance the value add to
>>> its
>>> clients and pioneered new areas of development".
>>>
>>>
>>> It is surprising that such reputed organisations like Tata Group, kotak
>>> and
>>> CII have continued to get her advices, even after her name was debated
>>> for
>>> her alleged involvement in the 2G scam in the Parliament, one year back.
>>> Their action may lead even the investigating agencies like CBI and ED
>>> to
>>> suspect those institutions also, whether they would have got any benefit
>>> through illegal ways through Nira Radia. Is it not the responsibilities
>>> of
>>> the corporates to engage consultants without blemish? It is ironical,
>>> that
>>> Mr Ratan Tata made a remark two days back, that somebody wanted 15 crores
>>> to
>>> give aviation license. On the other hand, Tata Group has engaged a
>>> person
>>> as a consultant, whose credentials are debated in Parliament.
>>>
>>>
>>> Politicians are alone not the culprits here. We need to blame the nexus
>>> between the officials, greedy corporates and the unprofessional lobbyists
>>> turned fixers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably, members may recall, that our October 2010 issue of ezine,
>>> PreSense, focussed on the 'Public Affairs' and we even went to the extent
>>> of
>>> suggesting formulation of code of ethics for such Public Affairs /
>>> Public
>>> Relations professionals, when they deal with the Government. Very
>>> sadly,
>>> when we sent mails to some CEOs who practise Public Affairs seeking their
>>> views, they did not even acknowledge our mails.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is also unfortunate, industry bodies likes CII, FICCI and NASSCOM have
>>> not come out openly against the scam. They are supposed to be neutral
>>> bodies, to protect the interest of the nation and the corporates. I am
>>> unable to understand their prolonged silence.
>>>
>>>
>>> When the PR profession itself is being debated in media in this scam, why
>>> none of the CEOs of the big PR / PA Agencies have come out openly
>>> condemning
>>> the unethical practises of the profession? Why none of them have
>>> appealed
>>> for ethical and value based profession? When they are doing image
>>> building
>>> for their clients, why they are not coming out openly, when the
>>> profession
>>> is suffering image crisis, due to a single individual?
>>>
>>>
>>> Even if one drop of poison falls in a pot of good milk, the entire milk
>>> becomes bad. Same way, because of the few people indulging in unethical,
>>> illegal practises, the PR / PA industry is being mistaken.
>>>
>>>
>>> Instead of curing the disease, we need to cure the symptoms. We need to
>>> identify such unethical professionals and isolate them. As I wrote in our
>>> earlier issue of ezine, we need to follow transparent, ethical and value
>>> based profession.
>>>
>>>
>>> I request members to share their views.
>>>
>>>
>>> Srinivasan
>>> Prime Point
>>> 91766 50273
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _
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