just to add perspective and context.
human beings by nature and whoever they are are flawed in some way or other and there is both good and bad in all of us.
by definition there is no such thing as a fully clean human being or perfect human being.
we all need to motivate ourselves to live to the best ideals inspite of our flaws and not because we dont have flaws.
very few across human history have crossed this boundary and considering current soceity the chances are even more remote today than ever before.
when a place is full of dirt and squalor it does not matter how clean a person who comes to live there is. sooner or later he will be dirty but he or she was not dirty to begin with.
like Ujjwal said focus on the larger issues and let people become secondary.
In Mahabharata, Bhishma says "dharma is sukshma, 'subtle and always not visible or clear'.
xavier
human beings by nature and whoever they are are flawed in some way or other and there is both good and bad in all of us.
by definition there is no such thing as a fully clean human being or perfect human being.
we all need to motivate ourselves to live to the best ideals inspite of our flaws and not because we dont have flaws.
very few across human history have crossed this boundary and considering current soceity the chances are even more remote today than ever before.
when a place is full of dirt and squalor it does not matter how clean a person who comes to live there is. sooner or later he will be dirty but he or she was not dirty to begin with.
like Ujjwal said focus on the larger issues and let people become secondary.
In Mahabharata, Bhishma says "dharma is sukshma, 'subtle and always not visible or clear'.
xavier
> To: prpoint@yahoogroups.com
> From: ujjwalk.chowdhury@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:35:04 +0530
> Subject: Re: [prpoint] Seems there are modern day Robin Hoods in anti corruption movement
>
> I totally appreciate Mr Krishnamurthy point and banter of the rulers
> acting in panic. We do NOT support any wrong doing by any Anna Team
> member and let the law take its course. But to divert attention from
> the issue of Lokpal institution and divert it to personal half truths
> and falsehoods and we falling prey to the same will be suicidal.
>
> On 26/10/2011, s krish <krishalpha@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Friends
> >
> > The arm twisting and harassment of Govt using its agency like puppet is
> > known.
> >
> >
> > To hide their shameless swindling at all levels, they will do everything
> > including mud slinging, false allegations and harassment at any level and
> > then go back and apologise.
> >
> > I think the task of IAC is mammoth considering the power to be at centre
> > who will be affected every nail, one must be ready,
> >
> > best way is to talk less, avoid opportunity to focus on un wanted things and
> > ignore the side tracking activity.
> >
> > It is likely that GOVT may arrest IAC members for the extra sweet taken away
> > at kinder garden at the age of 3/4 under any IPC and CBI director may
> > personally be asked to arrest. We know and see the shameless activity of all
> > Govt resources in these un productive acts than many very very important
> > issues country is facing.
> >
> >
> > With best wishes and warm regards
> >
> > S.Krishnamurthy
> > www.alphabeticstraining.in
> > Ph. 91-44-42122363
> > Mobile. 9884278542
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Prime Point Srinivasan <prpoint@gmail.com>
> > To: prpoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: ivfindia@gmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 7:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [prpoint] Seems there are modern day Robin Hoods in anti
> > corruption movement
> >
> >
> >
> > dear friends
> >
> > Happy Diwali to you and to family members.
> >
> > Leaders should be beyond suspicion
> >
> > As usual Jagannathan has raised a very pertinent and important issue. When
> > Anna Hazare ji started the anti corruption movement, the entire nation stood
> > behind him and proved to the world that 'We the people' are higher than the
> > 'Parliament'. We also gave the support from this group by physical
> > participation.
> >
> > Though the movement itself can take a momentum, the people or leaders behind
> > such movement should be 'above board' and beyond suspicion like the
> > proverbial Caesar's wife. The corrupt people against whom the movement is
> > aimed at, may look for even small small errors to tarnish the image of the
> > anti corruption leaders.
> >
> > 'My life is my message'
> >
> > When Mahatma Gandhi was leading the freedom movement against the
> > mighty British Government, he kept himself 'above board'. Even when his
> > team members committed errors, he owned the responsibly and apologised. He
> > had the courage to write in his book, all the sins and mistakes committed by
> > him. He was more transparent and proved himself as a credible leader. When
> > people asked him to give a message, he was bold enough to say 'My life is my
> > message'. That means he had the confidence on his own life.
> >
> > Excess billing by Dr Kiran Bedi
> >
> > From the PTI and Hindu story of today, I observe, Dr Kiran Bedi, one of the
> > leaders of IAC collected business class fare from the NGOs and organisations
> > who invited her and travelled in economy class. A doubt has also been
> > raised in the media, whether she might have collected similar excess fare
> > from all the organisations of the same city, even if she had travelled
> > once. When Indian Express broke the news, Dr Kiran Bedi defended herself
> > saying that excess amount was credited to India Vision Foundation, for which
> > she is the Chairperson. She also said that she was not charging any
> > speakers fee. The excess amount so collected, was used for other charities.
> >
> > From the story of The Hindu, it is reported that business class invoice was
> > sent by Flywell group of companies (travel agent) to the organisations, who
> > invited her. Those organisations paid the full invoice amount. This has
> > raised a doubt in me how the travel agents can raise a false invoice
> > charging for higher class, while the reality was Dr Bedi travelled in lower
> > class with concession. . Will they not have problem with Income tax
> > department? It also appears that Mr Anil Bal, the owner of Flywell is also
> > one of the trustees of India Vision Foundation of Dr Bedi.
> >
> > Earlier, Dr Bedi had issued a statement that the excess amount was used by
> > the Foundation. Now PTI report says that the trustees of the Foundation
> > have asked the travel agent to refund the excess amount collected. If so,
> > whether the money is still lying with Flywell. An ordinary citizen gets lot
> > of confusion over this affair.
> >
> > Is it not a moral turpitude?
> >
> > Some of the fans of Dr Bedi are questioning why the media is making huge
> > fuzz about this few thousands of rupees, while the scam of the Govt. goes
> > beyond lakhs of crores of rupees. In the conduct rules of any
> > organisation, 'moral turptitude' is one of the serious misconducts. I know
> > cases of public sector employees losing their jobs, for producing false
> > bills and claiming few hundreds of rupees with false declaration. As a
> > senior police officer, Dr Kiran Bedi should have known this and she would
> > have arrested few such people under this offense too. If this incident is
> > true, then I feel absolutely there is no difference between spectrum scam
> > and Dr Bedi's excess claim with false delcaration and invoice.
> >
> > It is upto Dr Bedi and other IAC leaders to publish transparently their
> > accounts with source of funds and the expenditure. They should remain above
> > suspicion. Then only, the people will repose confidence on them while
> > leading IAC.
> >
> > Credibility and image of IAC will go up only when they sign a declaration,
> > "My life is my message" as shown by Mahatma Gandhi.
> >
> > I request members to share their views. I am endorsing a copy of this
> > message to Dr Kiran Bedi's India Vision Foundation. If they send any
> > response, we will share with our members.
> >
> > Srinivasan
> > Prime Point
> > 9176650273
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Xavier Prabhu <xprabhu@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>is there someone totally clean in this country in this age?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>To: prpoint@yahoogroups.com
> >>From: v_jagannathan@yahoo.com
> >>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:49:28 -0700
> >>Subject: [prpoint] Seems there are modern day Robin Hoods in anti
> >> corruption movement
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>Seems there are modern day Robin Hoods in the anti-corruption movement
> >> started by Anna Hazare. How can one charge for something that he/she had
> >> not used and say that it is for a cause! What a cause and what a defence!
> >>
> >>
> >>Jagannanthan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>
> Prof Ujjwal K Chowdhury
> Dean, Whistling Woods School of Media & Communication, Mumbai
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> Handsets: 00-91-93733-11239; 00-91-77091-53239.
> Former Executive Director, International School of Business & Media
> (Communication)
> Former Director, Symbiosis Institute of Media & Communication & Dean, SIU,
> Pune.
> Former Media Adviser, Textiles Ministry, GOI; The Nippon Foundation; and
> WHO, India.
>
>
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>
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> From: ujjwalk.chowdhury@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:35:04 +0530
> Subject: Re: [prpoint] Seems there are modern day Robin Hoods in anti corruption movement
>
> I totally appreciate Mr Krishnamurthy point and banter of the rulers
> acting in panic. We do NOT support any wrong doing by any Anna Team
> member and let the law take its course. But to divert attention from
> the issue of Lokpal institution and divert it to personal half truths
> and falsehoods and we falling prey to the same will be suicidal.
>
> On 26/10/2011, s krish <krishalpha@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Friends
> >
> > The arm twisting and harassment of Govt using its agency like puppet is
> > known.
> >
> >
> > To hide their shameless swindling at all levels, they will do everything
> > including mud slinging, false allegations and harassment at any level and
> > then go back and apologise.
> >
> > I think the task of IAC is mammoth considering the power to be at centre
> > who will be affected every nail, one must be ready,
> >
> > best way is to talk less, avoid opportunity to focus on un wanted things and
> > ignore the side tracking activity.
> >
> > It is likely that GOVT may arrest IAC members for the extra sweet taken away
> > at kinder garden at the age of 3/4 under any IPC and CBI director may
> > personally be asked to arrest. We know and see the shameless activity of all
> > Govt resources in these un productive acts than many very very important
> > issues country is facing.
> >
> >
> > With best wishes and warm regards
> >
> > S.Krishnamurthy
> > www.alphabeticstraining.in
> > Ph. 91-44-42122363
> > Mobile. 9884278542
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Prime Point Srinivasan <prpoint@gmail.com>
> > To: prpoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: ivfindia@gmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 7:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [prpoint] Seems there are modern day Robin Hoods in anti
> > corruption movement
> >
> >
> >
> > dear friends
> >
> > Happy Diwali to you and to family members.
> >
> > Leaders should be beyond suspicion
> >
> > As usual Jagannathan has raised a very pertinent and important issue. When
> > Anna Hazare ji started the anti corruption movement, the entire nation stood
> > behind him and proved to the world that 'We the people' are higher than the
> > 'Parliament'. We also gave the support from this group by physical
> > participation.
> >
> > Though the movement itself can take a momentum, the people or leaders behind
> > such movement should be 'above board' and beyond suspicion like the
> > proverbial Caesar's wife. The corrupt people against whom the movement is
> > aimed at, may look for even small small errors to tarnish the image of the
> > anti corruption leaders.
> >
> > 'My life is my message'
> >
> > When Mahatma Gandhi was leading the freedom movement against the
> > mighty British Government, he kept himself 'above board'. Even when his
> > team members committed errors, he owned the responsibly and apologised. He
> > had the courage to write in his book, all the sins and mistakes committed by
> > him. He was more transparent and proved himself as a credible leader. When
> > people asked him to give a message, he was bold enough to say 'My life is my
> > message'. That means he had the confidence on his own life.
> >
> > Excess billing by Dr Kiran Bedi
> >
> > From the PTI and Hindu story of today, I observe, Dr Kiran Bedi, one of the
> > leaders of IAC collected business class fare from the NGOs and organisations
> > who invited her and travelled in economy class. A doubt has also been
> > raised in the media, whether she might have collected similar excess fare
> > from all the organisations of the same city, even if she had travelled
> > once. When Indian Express broke the news, Dr Kiran Bedi defended herself
> > saying that excess amount was credited to India Vision Foundation, for which
> > she is the Chairperson. She also said that she was not charging any
> > speakers fee. The excess amount so collected, was used for other charities.
> >
> > From the story of The Hindu, it is reported that business class invoice was
> > sent by Flywell group of companies (travel agent) to the organisations, who
> > invited her. Those organisations paid the full invoice amount. This has
> > raised a doubt in me how the travel agents can raise a false invoice
> > charging for higher class, while the reality was Dr Bedi travelled in lower
> > class with concession. . Will they not have problem with Income tax
> > department? It also appears that Mr Anil Bal, the owner of Flywell is also
> > one of the trustees of India Vision Foundation of Dr Bedi.
> >
> > Earlier, Dr Bedi had issued a statement that the excess amount was used by
> > the Foundation. Now PTI report says that the trustees of the Foundation
> > have asked the travel agent to refund the excess amount collected. If so,
> > whether the money is still lying with Flywell. An ordinary citizen gets lot
> > of confusion over this affair.
> >
> > Is it not a moral turpitude?
> >
> > Some of the fans of Dr Bedi are questioning why the media is making huge
> > fuzz about this few thousands of rupees, while the scam of the Govt. goes
> > beyond lakhs of crores of rupees. In the conduct rules of any
> > organisation, 'moral turptitude' is one of the serious misconducts. I know
> > cases of public sector employees losing their jobs, for producing false
> > bills and claiming few hundreds of rupees with false declaration. As a
> > senior police officer, Dr Kiran Bedi should have known this and she would
> > have arrested few such people under this offense too. If this incident is
> > true, then I feel absolutely there is no difference between spectrum scam
> > and Dr Bedi's excess claim with false delcaration and invoice.
> >
> > It is upto Dr Bedi and other IAC leaders to publish transparently their
> > accounts with source of funds and the expenditure. They should remain above
> > suspicion. Then only, the people will repose confidence on them while
> > leading IAC.
> >
> > Credibility and image of IAC will go up only when they sign a declaration,
> > "My life is my message" as shown by Mahatma Gandhi.
> >
> > I request members to share their views. I am endorsing a copy of this
> > message to Dr Kiran Bedi's India Vision Foundation. If they send any
> > response, we will share with our members.
> >
> > Srinivasan
> > Prime Point
> > 9176650273
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Xavier Prabhu <xprabhu@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>is there someone totally clean in this country in this age?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>To: prpoint@yahoogroups.com
> >>From: v_jagannathan@yahoo.com
> >>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:49:28 -0700
> >>Subject: [prpoint] Seems there are modern day Robin Hoods in anti
> >> corruption movement
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>Seems there are modern day Robin Hoods in the anti-corruption movement
> >> started by Anna Hazare. How can one charge for something that he/she had
> >> not used and say that it is for a cause! What a cause and what a defence!
> >>
> >>
> >>Jagannanthan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>
> Prof Ujjwal K Chowdhury
> Dean, Whistling Woods School of Media & Communication, Mumbai
> Managing Editor, New Global Indian, www.newglobalindian.com; www.icmlive.com
> Handsets: 00-91-93733-11239; 00-91-77091-53239.
> Former Executive Director, International School of Business & Media
> (Communication)
> Former Director, Symbiosis Institute of Media & Communication & Dean, SIU,
> Pune.
> Former Media Adviser, Textiles Ministry, GOI; The Nippon Foundation; and
> WHO, India.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Please visit http://www.prpoint.com (for useful PR resource materials) and http://www.primepointfoundation.org (non profit trust for promotion of PR)and http://www.imageaudit.com (about Image Audit)and http://www.indiavision2020.org (on India Vision)Yahoo! Groups Links
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