Sensitisation of the people towards life values, fellow citizens and mutual respect is the need of the hour instead of sensationalism.
These are dark days for humanity. The wake-up call is yet to be realised. I hope it happens soon.
Susan
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 21:26:30 +0530
Subject: Re: [ gfpr ] Re: [prpoint] When one finger points to others, 4 fingers point on us
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Yes Mr. Babji I read that on 25th itself. Quite a pragmatic view indeed. But debate on 'castration' as legal weapon is still on. Let's wait and watch.
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Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 21:26:30 +0530
Subject: Re: [ gfpr ] Re: [prpoint] When one finger points to others, 4 fingers point on us
From: shharan3@gmail.com
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Yes Mr. Babji I read that on 25th itself. Quite a pragmatic view indeed. But debate on 'castration' as legal weapon is still on. Let's wait and watch.
thanks
hariharan
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Bobby Shivyana <bobby.shivyana@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Hariharan & friends,
Thanks for your observations.
The 'voice' and 'noise' are not the same. Voice refers to communication and Noise is a barrier to communication. Voice is God and Noise is God's adversary. No doubt, God's adversary is as powerful as God. Was not Ravan as powerful as Rama? But, that which is righteous shall win ultimately.
In any agitation, initially Noise & Voice will become inseparable. It is for the learned to make people understand that this is Kaakah (crow) and this is Peekah (koel) and they are doing it.
Justice Markandey Khatju, Chairman of Press Council of India and others have commented on the ongoing protests in Delhi and elsewhere, as 'middle class mass anger' and that it will get diluted in about 10-12 days. Many demand for swift, sure & stringent punishment. Let us wait to see it happen.
The link below is an article of Urvashi Butalia, a feminist. Quite a sensible analysis. Most of your views corroborate here.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/lets-ask-how-we-contribute-to-rape/article4235902.ece
Regards,On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Hariharan S <shharan3@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Babji
In one of your recent 'posts' you had referred to the Latin saying: 'Voxpopuli Vox Dei' - The voice of the people is the voice of God -
Now this gets somewhat transformed with 'Noise of the people being the voice of God!
The 'mechanics' of any protest or bundh is destruction of public property, breach of peace, creating law and order problems etc. [philosophy of protest may be different] When law enforcing agency resort to lathi charge or likes, one cannot expect 'friendly lathi charge' or 'light lathi charge'. Casualty 'll definitely be there.
The gang rape case of 23 year old girl as also the physical assault is a heinous crime, and the guilty must be punished. (I am sure will be punished). But the process of judiciary in our country is such that it takes a fairly long time to rule out 'benefit of doubt' to the defendant. Therefore the judiciary has clearly emerged as a "poor player that sturts more" as in Shakespeare's Macbeth. This is because much more is expected of the judiciary than it is constitutionally called upon to deliver. If this case is to be put on fast track than what happens to the hundreds of criminal cases pending in various courts for years? Are they less important merely because they do not hog the lime light? Life of another victim in this case - boy who accompanied the girl - is also important. [And also the policeman who was beaten to death by the mob]
Your comment on your latest post on fb: "In formation of public opinion, the information flows downward. In legislation, the information flows upward" is apt and very much related to the current episode.
Regards
hariharanOn Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Bobby Shivyana <bobby.shivyana@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear
I totally agree with what Mr Srinivasan & Xavier Prabhu wrote here. I too opined in a similar way to a posting of Mr BN Kumar, in these groups. It is easier to raise your pointer in accusation. It is hypocrisy if you don't realize that the other fingers are turned towards you.
Yes, proper policing does not mean the physical presence of police in large numbers. If the society degenerates, even the ratio of 1 policeman for 100 citizens would not suffice.
Mobilizing the mobs to hit roads is easier than creating the desired awareness on an issue. Agitation is a weapon to be used sparingly. If it is made to be a habit, people lose prudence. There are vested interests all around, who always kept waiting in the wings to en-cash the gullibility of the youth.
The ethical duty of the Opinion Leaders shall be "Public be informed & educated". In this process, public are, no doubt, informed. But the motive is different.
Regards,On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Xavier Prabhu <xprabhu@hotmail.com> wrote:Dear all,
am commenting in one mail to the chain of mails starting with one BNK wrote.
there is a recourse to Indian morals and values in a lot of these discussions which are distorted myths and convneiently projected. India and its kings/soceity has had prostitution since time immemorial and Yellamma is the Goddess of Prostitution and ofcourse there is the devadasi tradition. we have eroticism in our literature and on our temple walls and in our art. even Indian mythology has characters which are amorous and the truth is that they never get projected leading to a distorted view of Indian culture.
the real parameter to judge this outburst or protest is that does it lead to action on three fronts:
- better policing that leads to higher convictions and thus a deterrent
- reforming of the law to ensure it is sensitized and effective
- education to ensure right from a young age we are taught to treat both sexes as equals
if that is achieved then this was worth the chaos and commotion. if not, then this was one more media hyped storm that did nothing.
next year this time we all will know.
regards,
Xavier Prabhu
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Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:42:56 +0530
Subject: [prpoint] When one finger points to others, 4 fingers point on us
hi allWhat was once a 'shame' is now a 'pride'What was once considered as a 'shame' in the minds of the society two decades back, has now become the 'pride'. After the unfortunate Delhi gang-rape incident, the chest beating college students, youngsters and activists have created an impression with the help of media, as if India is engaged only in gang-rape and the women are unsafe in this country. Some of the anti-social elements and political forces have also joined the protest causing violence. We offer our prayers for the speedy recovery of the Delhi girl and other victims who are not reported in the media.It has also become the fashion nowadays to join their chorus. Even the sane voices like how women should be careful, are being drubbed as 'regressive' suggestions. They are being condemned and ridiculed.When the Delhi youth and activists are blaming the Government for this incident, they have forgotten that the society has got a greater role in reducing such heinous crimes.NCRB data on crime against women in India (11 categories)National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) of Government of India has published that in 2011, 2,28,650 cases have been registered in all Police Stations as crime against women. This includes 11 categories of crime against women under IPC like rape, kidnapping, dowry deaths, cruelty by husband, molestaton, sexual harassment, immoral traffic, etc. That means 18.9 cases for every one lakh population. In 2007, 1,85,312 were registered (rate 16.3). There is an increase of nearly 24% registered crime over the past 4 years.Andhra Pradesh (33.4 cases for every one lakh population), Kerala (33.3), Tirupura (37.0), West Bengal (31.9) have shown higher incidences of crime against women. Please remember these are all registered cases. There may be lot of cases who were not registered with Police.Rape cases registered in India in 2011 (IPC 376)Out of the 11 categories of crime against women, IPC 376 deals with rape. Under this section, 24,206 cases have been registered with Police stations in India in 2011. This is 2.0 cases for every one lakh population). During 2007, 20,737 cases were registered (rate 1.8). There is an increase of 17% over the cases registered under 'rape'. Please remember that these are all registered cases and there may be lot of cases not registered with the Police.UN Report on rape cases registered with other countriesAs per the UN report, USA (27.3 incidences of reported rape cases for every 1 lakh population), Ireland (10.7), Norway (19.2), Sweden (63.5), UK (28.8), German (9.4), South AFrica (120) are having more registered cases than India. As said earlier, in India, many cases might not have been registered for different reasons.Is not the society responsible?It is sad that the activists and emotionally charged youth are trying to blame the Government and the Police for such phenomenon. As I said earlier, there are many women victims who suffer in silence without going to the authorities. Severe punishment in law book cannot alone resolve this issue. These do not include harassment to women through cyber space. I am writing separately about how educated youth harass the women through technology.While I agree that Government and Police have greater role to play, I feel they cannot reduce the crime without the involvement of the society.As Thiruvalluvar puts it, every disease has its root cause. We need to identity the root cause and try to remove the causes. The activists and the media are addressing the peripheral issues. I am sharing some of the causes for this phenomenon, as perceived by me. I do not mind being branded as 'regressive' or orthodox for being frank.Reasons for this phenomenon1. In the past two decades, the moral values are coming down in the society. Even schools have stopped teaching moral instruction classes. Now we are being taught how to be highly competitive. Our children are being taught how to be materialistic, than how to be 'humanistic'.2. A study reveals that more than 75% of such crimes against women are committed by the people who are closely known to the women. Because of this, many cases do not get reported for fear of their family name being spoiled. The chest beating activists and students should first take a pledge to create awareness among their locality and family not to harass women either in the family or public places. They should create awareness not to tease a girl for not providing dowry. They should also take oath not to indulge in eve teasing of girls in the public places. If this happens, nearly three-fourth of the crimes will be reduced in a single stroke.3. When the Delhi girl was lying naked on the road after violent attacks, 50 Delhi people were reported to be standing around her. None of them called up the Police for any medical help. None of them draped her with a cloth. Where their human values had gone? Even animals will care for another animal of their clan. These activists and screaming media anchors should first create awareness among the fellow citizens to be 'human', whenever the other person is in distress. Police alone cannot prevent such crimes. Society has to play its role first. If by chance, this 50 people were illiterate and uneducated rural persons, they would have taken care immediately. It is a shame for the nation, more than the shame of the girl being gang-raped.4. Another disturbing matter is that the most 'progressive' JNU (Jawaharlal Nehru University) in Delhi has got a condom vending machine inside their campus, to help the students. In 2008, when they set up this machine, there were lot of objections. They were all branded as 'regressive' people. What are they trying to teach the young students by installing condom vending machine? Our ancestors have taught as moral values and how to respect the womanhood. Are we moving from 'moral values' to 'safe sex'? The progressive forces can defend all such developments. When we allow our children to have 'safe sex', naturally it leads to 'living together', sexual abuse, mental trauma when the girl is abandoned. According to a senior Police Officer whom I interacted, nearly 70% of the rape cases filed by the women are called 'technical'. That means, the girl files a rape case against the boy, when the promise is not fulfilled after the mutual consented sex. The remaining 30% are violent sexual abuse.5. No doubt, present day women are required to work in offices during odd hours. There may be good and bad people in the society. In India, every family member is more concerned with the safety of the woman in their home. When the ladies are working in the odd hours, the employers have to take care of the safety of these women by picking up and dropping them back at their places. At the same time, the ladies also should take enough pro-active care when they are forced to undertake journey during odd hours. It is sad, when some of the elderly political leaders point out this pro-active measures, it is being objected by the so called 'progressive forces'. The activists should realise when a lady is put to torture, it causes trauma to the entire family. It is not an offense to be 'pro-active' and follow safety measures, to avoid any unfortunate incident. Are we not keeping our house locked during night time to save from robbers?6. The present day students and youth are exposed heavily to the bad side of the life and system through media, television, cinema and internet round the clock. In addition, the 'parenting' quality also has come down heavily. What was once the 'moral values' is being mocked at or brushed aside as retrograde measures. This is causing the degradation of the society and the tacit approval for all immoral activities.Need to reinvent the wheelNow that the Government has appointed Justice Verma Commission to recommend measures, the activists and the students should submit their views to the Commission for improvement of the legal system. Even if there is a drastic change in the legal system, nothing will improve until the society changes its attitude.In the name of globalisation, we have adopted all the bad and discarded practises of western countries. They have been adopting the best practises of India. Now US and UK have started realising the great values of India and started using our methods. I remember once UK Prime Minister and Opposition leader have jointly talked about the family system of India in their Parliament, as a cure for their problems.India's strength is the 'family system'. Whether north, south, east or west, we have rich culture and tradition. In the name of modernity, let us not belittle our values to get trapped into gutter. A time has come that we need to introspect ourselves and reinvent the wheel.SrinivasanPrime Point9176650273 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 9176650273 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
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