Nice one Rajjii yer, and others for their comments on the issue.
But ?TN CM Jayalalitha has taken a strong view of media reports.
She is bringing a legislation to allow clubs to permit members or
visitors to wear dhoties to enter their premises.
This should end the debate now.
I saw more for dhoti and less for dress codes by the way.
The ayes have it. Thats why Jayalalitha has moved in that direction.
Cheers
Ashok
On 17 July 2014 07:17, rrajiiyer rrajiiyer@gmail.com [prpoint] <prpoint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Folks,I dont know about the rules of TNCA which has registered norms. But for your kind information, private clubs can have their own rules and regulations which is accepted by its members while joining. Even in our corporate events, we mention 'dress code-formal/casual/ethnic'.Why are we making a hue and cry out of it.So chill.Sent from Samsung tablet
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Date: 16/07/2014 16:57 (GMT+05:30)
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dear babji garu
the sailing club in secundrabad did not allow me to enter with chappals.chappal is the commonmans foot wear.this has to be highlighted in the media to break such colonial customs.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:38:08 +0530
Subject: Re: [prpoint] Fwd: Tamil Nadu Cricket Association Club (TNCA Club) shames Indians
Dear sirs,The Constitution of India is the supreme law of our country and hence every law enacted by the Government of India or the respective State Legislatures must conform to it. If any law or rule or regulation is against the supreme law of the land they become void or voidable. Has at any time or at any place, the dress code in India has been defined ? India does not have a particular national dress that represents the whole country. Clothing varies from region to region depending on the ethnicity, geography, climate etc.Local laws shall govern the Associations like this. If the rules and regulations are to maintain the decency and decorum OR the health and hygiene of the place, they are OK. Generally, laws are made for the welfare and happiness of the people at large. But this sounds to be contrary.If the dhoti-clad people of the Society are not allowed, such Clubs shouldn't be allowed to exist on the Indian soil. Who and when the regulations of this Club are made is an issue to be reviewed. If this Association has scanty respect towards Indian culture and heritage, it is unfit to be there in India.Once, Swamy Vivekananda was questioned by an Englishman "why don't you dress up like a gentleman" to which the answer was "In your country gentlemen are made by tailors and in our country it is culture that makes the people gentle".This kind of arrogance is inexcusable. Time to revamp. This is the vox populi.Regards,
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:26 AM, snsurkund@yahoo.com [prpoint] <prpoint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi there.Some time in late 80s I was to attend a function at Bengal Club in Calcutta, I was in Pant-full sleaves sadra and Pathani chappals. I was Vice President of Joint Publicity Committee of Public Sector Banks appointed by Finance Ministry then. One of the local banks had hosted a receiption for the Committee of which most of the members were from Bombay.When I was about to enter I was told by the gate keeper I can not enter as I am not wearing shoes and not wearing suit. Then I told him to call call some higher ups - when they came I handed over my visiting card to them and told that the person who has hosted this party. to give it him and tell him I have gone back. Then he apoligised and permitted me to go in w ith proper escort.So ever after 30 years things have not changed ,s.n.surkundSent from Windows MailFrom: Rajendra Deshpande rajuixu@yahoo.com [prpoint]
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Good article! Now a different view point.Wonder why these don't wear dhotis/lungies to the court? Likewise why don't the men weardhoties to work? Why jeans and trousers? These very judges wear suits in peak summer to almostall public functions? Why? Is there a motive? Maybe to show to one and all that they representthe 'high and mighty' and are a cut above the aam aadmi.Look at the functioning of the court. It is typically resemblant of the British functioning and RajEra.
Please remember, this is a PRIVATE CLUB. They set their rules in accordance with how they want their club. Who is a non-member to question them? If the Honourable Judge has felt slighted, he should not visit the club. Period.Guys, wake up! We don't have to react to everything. Let us use our intelligence to better the nation and not waste time on non-issues.Warm regards,Rajendra.Deshpande.
Trainer.On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:24 AM, "Prime Point Srinivasan prpoint@gmail.com [prpoint]" <prpoint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
dear ashok and othersThanks for the views. The matter has been debated in Tamil Nadu Assembly. One of the advocates filed a PIL in the High Court and is coming up for hearing today. Meanwhile, I remember two instances:1. Mahatma Gandhi changed to 'dhoti' only at Madurai to represent the Indan culture. When he went to meet King George V at London, there was a dilemma about his dress. As per the Palace rules, only their formal dress was allowed when anybody wanted to meet the King. Since Mahatma Gandhi did not want to change his dress and he represented 35 crores of Indians, the Palace rules were officially suspended to allow Mahatma Gandhi inside Palace with 'dhoti'.2. Few years ago, I went to Nepal on an official visit at the invitation of then Kingdom. In the Inauguration of Conference presided over by the King, they had the rule that all Nepal citizens should attend the conference with their national dress. (Nepal has national dress) They gave exemption to foreigners like us. But they suggested us, to attend the Conference in the national dress of our country. Since India does not have any national dress, they suggested us to attend the inauguration in dhoti.When foreign countries respect our own traditional attire like dhoti, the Clubs like TNCA (affiliated to scam tinted BCCI), bans Indian dress inside their premises. Unfortunately, they are using the land and premises of the Government on a long lease. TNCA never felt ashamed when their colleagues involved themselves in the biggest scam of the country. But these officials felt ashamed when a sitting judge of the High Court entered their premises (which is on long lease from Govt) in dhoti.Such shameful banning happens in all parts of India in many Clubs and Hotels. Will these Clubs and Hotels operating in Arab Countries have courage to ban the traditional or national dress in Arab Countries. Why this hypocrisy for India?I feel a time has come now that we revisit the archived rules of these ancient Clubs and Hotels and complete the process of Independence by framing new rules to suit the independent India.Srinivasan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM, 'T.N.Ashok' ashoktnex@gmail.com [prpoint] <prpoint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Disgusting behavior from the relics of the Raj.A day should come when the sign board says,Dhotis Entry Free, Trousers allowed with prior permission.With Modi it can happen.Ashok
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On 14 July 2014 15:08, Prime Point Srinivasan prpoint@gmail.com [prpoint] <prpoint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
hi all
"Dogs and Indians not allowed" was the sign board in front of many of the British Clubs prior to 1947. Even after 68 years of Independence, some of the Clubs started by British follow scrupulously similar arrogance shamelessly.A couple of days ago, sitting Judge of Madras High Court Justice Hariparanthaman was denied entry into the TNCA Club premises when he went to participate in a Book Release function. The major sin committed by him was that he was wearing 'dhoti' and shirt. Even some of the senior lawyers of High Court who were wearing Dhoti were denied entry. The officials of Cricket Club told them strictly that they had to wear trousers, if they wanted to enter the Club. In spite of Justice Hariparanthaman telling them that he was not a member and he was visiting the Club as an invitee, they denied him permission. This has sparked a big news in all the media.
Way back in 1980, Justice Krishna Iyer was also denied entry into one of the elite Clubs when he was wearing Dhoti. He wrote later that he wasfeeling proud to wear dhoti. Dhoti is one of the traditional dress of Indians. Various parts of India wear dhoti in different style.Even some of the star hotels do not allow entry of the persons who wear dhoti. When all the countries respect their own traditions and national culture, some of the arrogant organisations like TNCA shames Indians like this. They never felt ashamed when their mother organisation BCCI got involved in scams.
Dhtoti clad Late Shri K Kamaraj was the King Maker of India and he installed two Prime Ministers and toured the world only wearing Dhoti. Former Prime Ministers Lal Bahadur Shastri, Narasimha Rao, Vajpayee used to wear dhoti even in important Conferences attended by foreign diplomats.
Former Finance Minister P Chidambaram and present Home Minister Rajnath Singh used to feel proud in attending Conferences with dhoti worn nicely. Nowadays, even Corporate CEOs feel proud in attending their Board Meetings in dhoti. It is a shame that some of the ancient clubs follow the British rule. Please read the story.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-madras-high-court-judge-denied-entry-to-cricket-association-for-wearing-dhoti-2001760Parliament and Assemblies in India allow members to attend the sessions with dhoti.Many members take oath in their traditional dress. Tamil Nadu Government observes one day as 'Dhoti day' every year to promote 'dhoti' among the students and office goers. Unfortunately TNCA (Chairman: popular N Srinivasan who is in lime light) has chosen to humiliate arrogantly a sitting judge of High Court, for wearing dhoti.
I plan to take up in the Parliament through some of the MPs. Is there any other Club or hotel in other parts of India who follow this practice of not allowing traditional dress of India. Please inform me through mail.
These Clubs are taking all benefits from the Government, including the lands on long lease. But still they feel that they belong to British days."More loyal to the Kingdom than the King himself"SrinivasanPrime Point
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